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	<title>Comments for World of Clean Software</title>
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		<title>Comment on Quality injection &#8211; Scientific validation of requirements by Shrini Kulkarni</title>
		<link>http://www.stagsoftware.com/blog/?p=87&#038;cpage=1#comment-19521</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrini Kulkarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you were to drop the word &quot;scientific&quot; from this post.  Try reading it by omitting the word science or scientific - I think it just reads fine. Right?

Why did your customer want a &quot;scientific&quot; method to validate requirement instead of any other (possibly non scientific method)?

can you share one potential defect type that is hypothesized  given  (a) requirement, domain, technology, cleanliness criteria?

I hope you are not making the /mistake/ of counting the requirements

Shrini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you were to drop the word &#8220;scientific&#8221; from this post.  Try reading it by omitting the word science or scientific &#8211; I think it just reads fine. Right?</p>
<p>Why did your customer want a &#8220;scientific&#8221; method to validate requirement instead of any other (possibly non scientific method)?</p>
<p>can you share one potential defect type that is hypothesized  given  (a) requirement, domain, technology, cleanliness criteria?</p>
<p>I hope you are not making the /mistake/ of counting the requirements</p>
<p>Shrini</p>
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		<title>Comment on TMMi Implementation Guideline by Marc Gebauer-Dunlop</title>
		<link>http://www.stagsoftware.com/blog/?p=324&#038;cpage=1#comment-19516</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Gebauer-Dunlop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
This may help regarding how TMMi and agile:
http://www.experimentus.com/present/tmmiagile_002.htm
regards
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
This may help regarding how TMMi and agile:<br />
<a href="http://www.experimentus.com/present/tmmiagile_002.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.experimentus.com/present/tmmiagile_002.htm</a><br />
regards<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do you know the &#8216;potency&#8217; of your test cases? (Webinar Q&amp;A Audio) by Shrini Kulkarni</title>
		<link>http://www.stagsoftware.com/blog/?p=845&#038;cpage=1#comment-19515</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrini Kulkarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I think the question &quot;countability&quot; was  not answered - instead a broader context of countability was given. I listend to this portion of talk again and again - but still I am lost. Consider this -

Ashok said - an entity like &quot;Test&quot; or &quot;test case&quot; can be decomposed of two parts -

1. Conditions that govern the behavior - notion of scenarios that come out
2. Stimuli to excite the system so that it displays some specific behavior - Inputs supplied to the system and their nature.

When we say countability - it is not I am somehow generating scenarios or test cases - but I model the system&#039;s behavior and understand the conditions (binary or 3 values, n value) for specific behavior - hence I take number of conditions, number of values. Then I apply various techniques for generating permutations and combinations such decision tables, state machines etc to arrive at a set of meaningful  and provable scenarios.

For every scenario, as per this definition is -

There certain no of inputs - each of these take certain values and seek an optimum combination (some max and min) - this helps to comprehend the notion of countability objectively.



But the original question remains.

Are test cases countable?
Given an application, its behavior, conditions and inputs - it is possible arrive at A NUMBER of test cases that would be considered as OPTIMUM?

I know this is a tough question - but I think you folks have cracked it. Can you explain with an example?

Shrini







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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the question &#8220;countability&#8221; was  not answered &#8211; instead a broader context of countability was given. I listend to this portion of talk again and again &#8211; but still I am lost. Consider this -</p>
<p>Ashok said &#8211; an entity like &#8220;Test&#8221; or &#8220;test case&#8221; can be decomposed of two parts -</p>
<p>1. Conditions that govern the behavior &#8211; notion of scenarios that come out<br />
2. Stimuli to excite the system so that it displays some specific behavior &#8211; Inputs supplied to the system and their nature.</p>
<p>When we say countability &#8211; it is not I am somehow generating scenarios or test cases &#8211; but I model the system&#8217;s behavior and understand the conditions (binary or 3 values, n value) for specific behavior &#8211; hence I take number of conditions, number of values. Then I apply various techniques for generating permutations and combinations such decision tables, state machines etc to arrive at a set of meaningful  and provable scenarios.</p>
<p>For every scenario, as per this definition is -</p>
<p>There certain no of inputs &#8211; each of these take certain values and seek an optimum combination (some max and min) &#8211; this helps to comprehend the notion of countability objectively.</p>
<p>But the original question remains.</p>
<p>Are test cases countable?<br />
Given an application, its behavior, conditions and inputs &#8211; it is possible arrive at A NUMBER of test cases that would be considered as OPTIMUM?</p>
<p>I know this is a tough question &#8211; but I think you folks have cracked it. Can you explain with an example?</p>
<p>Shrini</p>
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		<title>Comment on Houston, we have a problem by STAG Software</title>
		<link>http://www.stagsoftware.com/blog/?p=378&#038;cpage=1#comment-19144</link>
		<dc:creator>STAG Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Shrini for leaving your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Shrini for leaving your comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introduction to Hypothesis Based Testing by STAG Software</title>
		<link>http://www.stagsoftware.com/blog/?p=782&#038;cpage=1#comment-19143</link>
		<dc:creator>STAG Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Nagenderr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Nagenderr&#8230;</p>
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